Anonymous posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 2:05 pm
I am fitting a two level SEM model (children nested within neighborhoods) and want to calculate the ICC for the empty model.
The outcome is a latent variable (PA) with 4 indicators (PA1 PA2 PA3 PA4).
In the output for the empty model I receive: “Estimated Intraclass Correlations for the Y Variables”
Each of the indicators has an associated ICC with it. Since I am interested in the latent variable PA, do I use these estimates together to determine the ICC for the latent variable PA or should I examine them separately?
Second, how would I then go about calculating the Design effect: 1 + (average cluster size - 1)*intraclass correlation
Would I use a summation of the indicator ICCs to arrive at an empty model ICC?
bmuthen posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 12:23 am
I don't know if by "empty model", you mean an unrestricted model (free covariance matrix) or a baseline model (which has zero covariances).
The estimated ICCs in the output refers to the estimated covariance matrices without a model imposed - so unrestricted.
If you want ICCs for the factor PA then you have to estimate a 2-level latent variable model with PA variance on the within and between levels.
The design effect formula you give is only for a special case of means with equal cluster sizes - I have not seen a formula for latent variable models and I doubt it can be easily expressed. The formula you give is probably a decent rough approximation.
I have a twolevel model with continuous latent and observed variables. I'm little confused about the ICCs for items. Normal ICCs for Items are printed as "Estimated Intraclass Correlations for the Y Variables". "Error free" ICCs can be computed from the "Model Estimated Covariances" matrices of the RESIDUAL output? With large sample sizes (N>10000), the expected difference between the two ICCs should decrease. Is this right?
So i can't compute error free ICCs for observed variables/items?! I've read a paper where error free ICCs for the 12 items of 3 latent factors have been computed. I wonder which variances the authors used.
I misled you - yes, you can. The BF/(BF+WF) formula above is defined in equation (5) of Muthen (1991) where you see that BF and WF are defined for each item, also including the item-specific loadings on between and within.
I'm really sorry stressing you again, but i'm still unsure how to compute error free ICCs for observed variables. In formula (5) of your above mentioned paper, BF variance is defined as lamda² x sigma² (with lamda as loading parameter). How is lamda estimated? By using the Estimates from the MODEL RESULTS table with 1st factor loading fixed at 1?
wendy posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 1:35 am
Hi, Dr. Muthen: I have a question regarding ICC with error variance/indicator residual variance. I am running a 2 level CFA model and in both within and between level, there are two correlated factors and each factor predict 3 indicators. Hence the code is %WITHIN% fw1 BY y1-y3; fw2 BY y4-y6; y1-y6; fw1-fw2; fw1 WITH fw2;
%BETWEEN% fb1 BY y1-y3; fb2 BY y4-y6; y1-y6; fb1-fb2; fb1 WITH fb2;.
I calculate ICC according to the formula BF/(BF+WF) and I also incorporate residual variance of each indicator in the formula, however, all my 6 ICC values of indicators are slightly different from the Mplus output and do you know why and could you offer the formula of ICC with error variance, that is, including residual variance of indicators? Another question is whether I need to think about the variance induced by correlation of two factors? Thanks.
The formula BF/(BF+WF) concerns the latent variable icc, whereas Mplus prints the observed variable icc. The latter uses the formula
where B is the between variance for the observed variable and W is the within variance for the observed variable. Each of these 2 variance components is the squared loading times the factor variances plus the residual variance.
student07 posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 7:06 am
Hello Drs. Muthen
I need to compute true ICC's for observed indicators in a multilevel factor analyses.
Can you please help me with understanding formula (5) of your 1991 article and the Mplus 4.2 output.
- whether the squared factor loadings (lamda²) of the within- and between factors
- which are weighted by the latent within- and between factor variances (sigma²)
are standardized loadings? Shoud I use "stdYX?" from the output?
student07 posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2007 - 6:29 am
Thank you Dr. Muthén, now I have a follow-up question:
To calculate true ICCs, is it a necessary condition that the unstandardized within- and between level factor loadings for the indicator(s) of interest are invariant across the within- and between-level?
Joop Hox posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 12:17 pm
One remark and a question. To calculate an ICC for a latent variable we must assume that we measure the same thing at both levels. Thus we need measurement invariance. I think Byrne, Muthén & Shavelson argued for partial measurement invariance, meaning that a few loadings my actually be different.
The question is that I think I read somewhere that finding a higher ICC for the latent variable than for the observed is typical, but is there a reference for this?
I agree with your invariance statement. And this makes the latent variable ICC idea less useful because if one tests for it most often this invariance is not found. Here is a reference to an attempt at latent ICCs:
Muthén, B. (1991). Multilevel factor analysis of class and student achievement components. Journal of Educational Measurement, 28, 338-354.
The idea was that measurement error attenuates ICCs given that such error variance goes into the denominator term W,