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Anonymous posted on Thursday, December 21, 2000  1:25 am



In Muthen's paper(1983,1984,1995),they have a detail about WLS for categorical data.The probit model is given X(limit information) so it only apply to MIMIC model. Why they can use in general structural equation model for categorical data? 

bmuthen posted on Thursday, December 21, 2000  11:07 am



I think the 1995 paper gives the example of a probit Mimic, but the other two papers deal with both kinds of situations (Case A and Case B), i.e. with x variables and without x variables, so general SEM is covered in LISCOMP and Mplus. 

Anonymous posted on Friday, December 22, 2000  2:37 am



Thank you for you.In MIMIC ,we can know the distribution (y given x)is multinormal,but in M's paper(1983,1984) for case A(full information) we do not know the distribution of p(y) and p(x). How do we get it? In M's paper(1983),does full information must use EM method ? 

Anonymous posted on Friday, December 22, 2000  2:41 am



In M's paper(1983,1984,1995) we can not get it. Can anyone provide an interpretation of the Case A(full information) produced from the detail about WLS for categorical data ? 

bmuthen posted on Friday, December 22, 2000  11:38 am



When x´s are present, we assume y* given x normal. The marginal x distribution is not needed because we do not model it (just like regression analysis). The same actually holds if the y´s are continuous. When no x´s are present, we assume y* normal. Full information estimation (ML) is not used in Mplus for categorical outcomes given computational complexity, but instead limitedinformation (bivariate response) WLS. 

Anonymous posted on Tuesday, December 26, 2000  1:57 am



Thank you for you.I know it apply to MIMIC model. In M's paper(1983) how could I to count the λx in general SEM 

Anonymous posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2001  3:16 am



I have some question in WLS. Does the following is yes or no ? If it is not right how can I to modify? In case A I have 3 Exogenous(x,q=3)and 4 endogenous(y,p=4).X and Y are categorial data.In general SEM model not MIMIC model,first stage I have to find the univariate probit regression(Lxi i=13 ; Lyj j=14) and use ML to find the maximun value(£m1 ,£m2). Second stage use the bivariate probit regression (Li+1,i and Lj+1,j and Lij i=1q j=1p), i.e. to find the V(x*)'s lower triangle and V(y*)'s lower triangle and cov(x*,y*)'s lower triangle and use ML to find the value(£m3) . In final stage use the WLS to find the parameter. 

bmuthen posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2001  3:10 pm



Yes, that is correct. 

Subert Wu posted on Friday, February 16, 2001  9:16 pm



Reboussin & Liang (1998) argued that threestage GLS approach can "exprience problems of instability, bias, nonconvergence, ...". What's your opinions about that? 


Three things. First, I think that was overstated. Second, that statement referred to the full weight matrix approach of LISCOMP (called WLS in Mplus), not the recommended, new approach in Mplus (WLSMV). WLSMV uses a diagonal weight matrix in the parameter estimation which performs much better both numerically and statistically than the old WLS. Third, the paper by MuthenDuToitSpisic (see the web Reference section) compares the ReboussinLiang approach with the new Mplus approach and finds that the Mplus approach mostly performs at least as well statistically and executes much faster. 

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