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Xuan Huang posted on Monday, September 24, 2007  10:36 am



Dear Professors, Could you let me know what I can do in MPLUS to interpret the interaction effects if I get significant interactions between two observed variables in a structural models? Can we graph interactions in MPLUS? Thank you very much for your time and your help. 


You can use the PLOT option to plot the two variables together in a scatterplot. There are no options specific to interactions. 


I got a review back on a paper that questioned my use of product of coefficients method (which I believe is the INDIRECT command in MPLUS). I used the MODEL INDIRECT command to test for a mediation. X1 is a latent factor; Y1 is an observed variable; Y2 is a latent factor. Thus, I specified the MODEL INDIRECT as Y3 IND Y1 X1. Two reviewers said this was a "novel" approach and that I should use the causal step method instead. But given that X1 and Y2 are latent factors, it seems, to me, better to use the INDIRECT test. Two questions, (1) is the INDIRECT command the same as the product coefficients method? (2) Are there any drawbacks to using it rather than the causal step method (like less power)? Thanks, George Burruss 


I have some questions:  You say y3, but do you mean y1 IND y2 x1; ?  what do you mean by "the causal step method"? The answer to (1) is yes. 


Sorry, my mistake; you are correct y1 IND y2 x1; By causal step, I mean that you evaluate the direct effect of x1 on y2. If the direct path is significant, then you introduce the mediator variable (y1). Thus, you would be doing the mediation test stepwise. I do not see the difference other than the INDIRECT command does this all at once and I don't see it as novel; but, two reviewers questioned the method, asking for the causal step method. 


It is strange that the reviewer would refer to the approach used in Model Indirect as "novel" since it has been around for a long time and been written about extensively. The new book on mediation by David MacKinnon should be a useful reference for an overview and to convince the reviewer. He refers extensively to Mplus. But the approach you label causal step could also be of interest. 

brianne posted on Sunday, July 26, 2009  1:36 pm



I hope that these questions are not too basic, but I am new to moderation in Mplus. I am proposing a nonrecursive path model of transactional dev. over time. Within that model, I am specifying two observed variable intxs. A quick Mplus sketch of my model is: Define p14Xtemp = parent14*temp riskXp14 = risk*parent14 riskXp24 = risk*parent24 Model child36 on child24, parent24, risk, riskXp24, gender, treatment; child24 on parent24, risk, parent14, riskXp14, temp, p14Xtemp, gender, treatment; parent24 on child24, parent14, momage, gender, treatment; Q1: Is an intx between an exog and endog variable possible (i.e., can parenting at time 2 [p24] function as both an outcome and a moderator/amplifier)? Q2: What is your advice concerning centering for intxs? Most authors (e.g., MacKinnon) recommend centering variables for moderator analyses. Is this also recommended for an intx between an endog and exog variable (i.e., centering, x1, y1, and x1y1)? Q3: In the case of a continuous moderator, is it still protocol to use simple slopes tests (e.g., MacKinnon,2008) for testing and interpreting the intxs in an expanded path model such as this one? I am currently planning post hoc simple slopes tests for sig. intxs, and a post hoc multigroup comparison for treatment vs control for the overall model. Any direction would be very helpful! 


Q1. Yes, this is possible in Mplus. For an example with a latent DV, see slides 161168 of the Topic 3 Mplus course handout. Q2. This is not necessary, but may make the interpretation easier. Q3. The slides referred to above give interpretation of moderation with continuous moderator. I am not familiar with slopes tests for this. One can do a regular z test of whether the interaction has a significant effect. See also the reference to Klein's interaction work on these slides. 

francesca posted on Monday, July 27, 2009  6:46 am



Dear Professors, I´m testing the moderating effect of a continuous latent variable M on the relation between a continuous predictor latent variable X1 and a continuous outcome latent variable Y, using the XWITH option. My model is: MISSING = ALL(99); ANALYSIS: TYPE =RANDOM; ALGORITHM=INTEGRATION; MODEL: X1 BY DW1 DW2 DW3; X2 BY CO4 CO1 CO2 CO3; M BY OP1 OP2 OP3 OP4; Y BY R1 R2 R3; Y ON X1 M X2; X1 ON M X2; X1xM  X1 XWITH M; Y ON X1xM; Interaction term is significant. Thus, I would like to perform simple slopes analysis for simple slopes at high and low levels of the moderator M and to plot out the graph of the relationship between Y and X1 at different values of M. Before using Mplus, I usually tested Simple slopes analysis using Sibley´s macro. This procedure assumes that both variables X1 and M are centered around 0, variances and covariances are obtained by requesting the covariance matrix for the regression coefficients. My questions: 1)How can I test Simple slopes analysis for simple slopes at high (+1SD) and low levels (1SD) of the moderator M in Mplus? 2)How can I have the following values in Mplus Output:  Standard Deviation of X1  B (unstandardized coefficients) for constant  Variance of interaction term  Variance of X1  Covariance of X1 and interaction term Thank you in advance! 


Variances and covariances of parameter estimates are given in TECH3. You can use the CENTERING option to center variables. Can you send us the reference for Sibley's macro to support@statmodel.com? 

francesca posted on Tuesday, July 28, 2009  12:22 am



Dear Linda, Thanks a lot for your immediate answer! I sent you the reference for Sibley's macro to support@statmodel.com. I’m sorry but I still have three questions: 1) I asked for TECH3, but the output only give me a list of numbers without variable’s name, how can I understand what is:  Variance of interaction term  Variance of X1  Covariance of X1 and interaction term? 2) To use Sibley's macro I need also to know the unstandardized coefficient for the model's constant: How can I have this value in Mplus Output? 3) Is it possible to test Simple slopes analysis for simple slopes at high (+1SD) and low levels (1SD) of the moderator M in Mplus? If Yes, How can I do this? Thank you in advance! 


It does not look like Sibley's macro is directly applicable to the latent variable interaction case because with latent variable interactions there is no variance given for the interaction term. There are probably analogous approaches with latent variable interactions but I don't know at this point what that would be. The parameter numbers from TECH1 should be used to understand TECH3. 

francesca posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009  3:17 am



Dear Linda, Thanks a lot for your answer. I think that, for the information I have now at my disposal, the only solution it's to test interaction with observed variables and Simple slopes analysis using Spss. 


Hi, I am pretty new to running moderations in MPLUS. I have used MPLUS to runs a simple blockwise regression with two way interactions. I found some significant interactions and I would like to chart them. I thus have 2 questions 1:Can this be done using the PLOT command? 2:Where can I find the constant in the output? This is my model:SSRSFTTO ON PSB1X01 AgeCl MoAB BmED BMVCl FAD PREM AUDITs CBQNA GENDER SESGR DCTOT2 SqDCTOT2 SqGrExp GREXPO2 GEND4; GEND4 being the interaction variable. Best Elisabet 


The constant is found in the Result section of the output under Intercepts or Thresholds. The PLOT command does not have this option. 


Dear Drs. Muthen, I wonder the XWITH and  options are appropriate for an interaction term defined by a continuous observed variable and a latent growth variable? Thank you so much for your time. 


XWITH can be used with two latent variables or one latent variable and one observed variable. 


Thank you so much Dr. Muthen. 


Hi Drs. Muthen, I ran a model with an interaction term (predictor) defined by a continuous observed variable and a latent growth variable? The model did not converge and I received the following error messages. I am wondering of they are results of model model mispecifications (i.e., having too many latent growth variables in the model). I really appreciate if you could give me some guidance. Thank you so much. THE MODEL ESTIMATION DID NOT TERMINATE NORMALLY DUE TO A CHANGE IN THE LOGLIKELIHOOD DURING THE LAST E STEP. AN INSUFFICENT NUMBER OF E STEP ITERATIONS MAY HAVE BEEN USED. INCREASE THE NUMBER OF MITERATIONS OR INCREASE THE MCONVERGENCE VALUE. ESTIMATES CANNOT BE TRUSTED. SLOW CONVERGENCE DUE TO PARAMETER 21. THE LOGLIKELIHOOD DERIVATIVE FOR THIS PARAMETER IS 0.74655803D+00. 


You can take the advice of the message and increase the number of MITERATIONS or increase the MOCONVERGENCE value. If this does not help, please send the output and your license number to support 


It ran after i made the adjustment. Thank you so much. 

Helen Zhao posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2011  7:45 pm



Dear Drs Muthen, Hi, I am trying to find the constant for graphing interaction plot as you suggested in your previous messages. I found constant for all my indicators but not able to find constant for the latent variables under the intercept output. I wonder should i average these intercepts and use it as the constant of the latent variable? Thanks, Helen 


Means and intercepts of latent variables are zero in crosssectional models. They can be identified only in multiple group and multiple time point models. 


Dear Drs. Muthen, my model became problematic after adding two interaction effects between the latent variables and a categorical observed variable: THE MODEL ESTIMATION DID NOT TERMINATE NORMALLY DUE TO A NONPOSITIVE DEFINITE FISHER INFORMATION MATRIX. CHANGE YOUR MODEL AND/OR STARTING VALUES. THE MODEL ESTIMATION HAS REACHED A SADDLE POINT OR A POINT WHERE THE OBSERVED AND THE EXPECTED INFORMATION MATRICES DO NOT MATCH. THE CONDITION NUMBER IS 0.446D03. THE PROBLEM MAY ALSO BE RESOLVED BY DECREASING THE VALUE OF THE MCONVERGENCE OR LOGCRITERION OPTIONS. I am not sure how to proceed from here really, as I am new to modelling interaction effects involving latent variables and would be grateful for any advice on what might be a helpful way to proceed from here.Thank you so much for your time. Below are my model commands. Connect BY wMemWelf wMemRel wMemEdA wMemLaUn wMemPoPa wMemLoPA wMemHumR wMemCons wMemProf wMemYouW wMemSpoL MemWome wMemPeac wMemHeal wMemOthe; WMEMPEAC WITH WMEMWOME; General BY GenTru Helpful Fair; General ON LnInc_I DV_HEd; Connect ON LnInc_I DV_HEd; Connect WITH General DV_U ON LnInc_I DV_HEd General Connect; Gen_U  DV_U XWITH General; Con_U  DV_U XWITH Connect; LifeSat ON DV_U Sex Age AgeSq DV_HEd LnInc_I DV_Mar DV_Chi Connect General Gen_U Con_U; 


Please send the full output and your license number to support@statmodel.com. 

Heike B. posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2011  11:25 am



I have defined an interaction between two exogenous variables Y ON X1 X2 X1*X2 The path coefficient for X1 was insignificant while the path coefficient for the interaction term X1*X2 was significant. Would it be correct to drop the individual path between X1 and Y, i. e. changing the model to Y ON X2 X1*X2 ? Many thanks in advance. Heike 


I would not do that. This can lead to over fitting and make the results difficult to replicate. Just report it as not significant. 

Heike B. posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2011  1:36 pm



Thank you, Linda. I really appreciate your comments. Heike 

Page posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2012  11:13 am



We have 2 observed categorical variables with interaction effect on a factor [f ON x1 x2 x1*x2]. The observed variables are correlated (which we account for: x2 ON x1) but this means that x1 and x2 are also correlated with the interaction term. Should we specify these correlations in the model [x1 WITH x1*x2; x2 WITH x1*x2]? When we do, our model becomes nonrecursive, and the loadings of f go haywire. thanks for any help on this. 


You should not mention the means, variances, or covariances of observed exogenous variables. These are not parameters in a regression model. I'm not sure why you have x2 ON x1. x2 is no longer exogenous when you add this. It is not necessary to specify more than f ON x1 x2 x1*x2 x1 and x2 are not uncorrelated in model estimation. To see their correlations, do a TYPE=BASIC; 

Page posted on Thursday, February 09, 2012  3:02 pm



But what if we see x2 as endogenous as well (let's call it y2)? We have y2 ON x1, and as a partial mediation f ON y2 x1. Is it "allowed" to put the interaction between y2 and x1 in this model, and if so, should we account for its correlation with y2 and/or x1? thanks. 


If you model includes y2 ON x1 it cannot include y2 WITH x1. Both parameters cannot be identified. 


Dear Muthen, I have a moderated mediation (conditional mediation) model with continues latent DV, IV, and mediation; and continues observed moderation as in below. As far as I could understand following discussion here, there is no option to use plot to simply see the significant interaction term in plot graph in Mplus. Then my question is that 1)how can I interpret the direction of the significant interaction to be able to confirm whether it was like it had been suggested in theoretical model? additionally, 2)could I add two or more interactions in the same equation? 3) could I use Bootstrapping to asses moderated mediation? 4)could I run the moderated mediation model as a multigroup analysis with 2level categorical group variable? Many thanks, Ahmet P.S. USEVAR are a1a3 b1 b2 c1c3 modrt; ANALYSIS: type =random; MODEL: F1 by a1 a2 a3; DV by b1 b2; MED by c1 c2 c3; interaction  F1 xwith modrt; DV on MED F1 modrt interaction; MED on F1; F1 with modrt; OUTPUT: tech1 tech8; 


Mplus does not provide an interaction plot at the present time. You would need to do the plot outside of Mplus, for example, in Excel or R. 1. This information is contained in the regression coefficient of the interaction term. 2. Yes. 3. It is not available with TYPE=RANDOM. 4. Yes. 

Ahmet Coymak posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2012  2:49 pm



Thank you, Dear Muthen. I really appreciate your comments. Ahmet 

Ahmet Coymak posted on Thursday, February 16, 2012  11:18 am



regarding the model I mentioned above, I am following Preacher at.all's procedure to get simple intercepts and slopes, the region of significance, and points to plot for significant interaction term that i found. http://quantpsy.org/interact/mlr2.htm with the below equation, i have tried to obtain values of regression coefficients and coefficient variances by asymptotic covariance matrix, by using tech1 and tech3 output in Mplus. DV= B0+B1F1+B2MED+B3modrt+B4interaction my problem is that I can't be sure whether or not latent variable's intercept,B0, was fixed zero in the equation by Mplus. if it is, can i use values of regression coefficient and coefficient variance for B0 as zero in Preacher's procedure? if it is not, how can i obtain value of B0 from any output? I would greatly appreciate any suggestions you might have for solve this problem, or any literature you might point me to read. 


If the intercept is not printed in the output, then it is zero and you should use zero for B0. 


Hi Dr. Muthen, I've read this message board carefully because I am trying to interpret the significant effect of an interaction between two latent variables. My DV is also a latent variable. Indicators for all latents are continuous. 1. Someone asked in a previous post: "How can I interpret the direction of the significant interaction to be able to confirm whether it was like it had been suggested in theoretical model? " And you answered: "This information is contained in the regression coefficient of the interaction term." Could you please elaborate on how to interpret the regression coefficient or point me to any helpful readings? 2. Is it possible to graph this interaction? 3. In an earlier post you said: "Means and intercepts of latent variables are zero in crosssectional models. They can be identified only in multiple group and multiple time point models." My model is a multiple time point model (predictor, moderator, and DV all at separate time points  though I'm not sure how Mplus would know that?). How do I calculate means and intercepts of the latent variables? Thank you so much for your help. Elizabeth 


1. See the Topic 3 course handout on the website starting at Slide 164 and seeing in particular Slikes 170 and 171. 2. There is no plot automatically produced. 3. You need to have measurement invariance across time for the means to be identified. 


Dear Dr. Muthen, Thanks for your help. I should clarify that this is not a growth model. It is a latent moderation model where both the predictor and moderator are latent variables. Here is the syntax for the moderation model: BIxERBI_temp xwith ER_S; Soc_comp on BI_temp ER_S BIxER; I have a significant effect for the interaction term (BIxER). I am trying to generate mean and variance for the latent variables so that I can produce a plot. Basically, I have this same question: http://www.statmodel.com/discussion/messages/11/7963.html?1314223342 Thank you for your time, Elizabeth 


You can obtain the mean and variance of the latent variables by asking for TECH4 in the OUTPUT command. 


Thanks for your help. Because I am using the XWITH command to form my interaction term, I have to use "TYPE = RANDOM." Therefore, when I ask for TECH4 in the output command, I get this error message: *** WARNING in OUTPUT command TECH4 option is not available for TYPE=RANDOM. Request for TECH4 is ignored. Do you have any other suggestions for how to generate mean and variance for the latent variables? Thanks so much for your time, Elizabeth 


Primarily, you need the mean and variance of the two factors BI_temp ER_S. If the factors are not regressed on observed variables, they have mean zero. Their variances would have to be expressed by usual formulas, using the Model Constraint command and labels for parameters given in the Model command (for a general example, see UG ex5.20). For how to compute the variance of the dependent variable, see the FAQ on our website titled: "The variance of a dependent variable as a function of latent variables that have an interaction is discussed in Mooijaart and Satorra" 


Thank you so much, Dr. Muthen. This was very helpful!! Is it possible to get the intercept of a latent Dependent Variable (that has been regressed on 2 latent predictor variables)? That is the last piece of info I need, and then I will be set for graphing my latent variable interaction. Thank you so much for your time, Elizabeth 


In a crosssectional model, the intercept of a latent variable is zero. 


Thanks so much. I really appreciate your help. For anyone on the boards who might be interested, I found this article very helpful in graphing latent interactions: http://www.unige.ch/fapse/mad/static/fuerst/continuousvariableinteraction.pdf Best, Elizabeth 

una posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2013  1:43 am



Dear Prof. Muthen, I am running an interaction between a latent factor and a manifest variable (using XWITH). I have two questions regarding this analysis: 1. When I am estimating with full information maximum likelihood, I get the following warning: *** WARNING. Data set contains cases with missing on variables used to define interactions. These cases were not included in the analysis. Number of such cases: 101 > Is it not possible to use FIML with such an interaction? 2. Makes the XWITH statement use of the method of Klein? To support his with a reference, can I refer to the following paper? Klein and Muthen (2007). Quasimaximum likelihood estimation of structural equation models with multiple interaction and quadratic effects. Multivariate Behavioral Research, 42, 647673. Thank you very much in advance, 


1. It is possible – use algorithm=integration; integration=montecarlo(500); 2. Mplus uses ML, which is the same as the KleinMoosbrugger Psychometrika article we refer to in the UG. The KleinMuthen approach is not ML but quasiML; this method is not used in Mplus. 

una posted on Thursday, October 31, 2013  9:17 am



Dear Prof. Muthen, Thank you for your reply. With regard to the first answer. I tried this syntax, but I still receive the following warning: "Data set contains cases with missing on variables used to define interactions. These cases were not included in the analysis. Number of such cases: 101” > Can you help me to clarify what is happening? Thank you very much in advance 


Please send this output to Support. 


I am trying to plot an interaction using an excel spreadsheet, but am unclear as to what counts as the intercept! My model is: MODEL: F1xx3  F1 XWITH x3; y10 on F1xx3 The output shows me intercepts for y1y5 (the variables that make up F1) and y10. What intercept am I supposed to use? Thanks in advance! 


The only relevant intercept would be for y10. 


Great, thanks! That's exactly what I thought, but wanted to verify. Also, I understand that latent variables have a mean of zero. What is the standard deviation then, is it 1? 


You have their variances in the output. For exogenous factors you can set their metric by fixing their variances at 1 instead of the first loading. 

Sharon kwan posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2015  6:41 pm



Dear Professor Muthen, I am trying to do a multilevel threewave interaction model. There is a variable in two timepoint for one variablefor my research. I tried to find the old and new version 7.3 of mplus, there is no multilevel threewave interaction model. Please correct me if I am wrong. Below are the syntax. TITLE: Model 2; Data: File is C:\Users\kwass004\Desktop\model\12.02.15\model12.02.15.dat; variable: NAMES ARE B1B18 P1P12 C1C3 WB1WB18 Org; CATEGORICAL = B1B18 P1P12 C1C3 WB1WB18; BETWEEN = P1P12; WITHIN = B1B18 C1C3 WB1WB18; CLUSTER = Org; ANALYSIS: TYPE = TWOLEVEL; MODEL: %WITHIN% WBT1 BY B1B18; CST1 BY C1C3; WBT2 BY WB1WB18; WBT2 ON WBTime1; CT1 xwith WBTime1; WBT2 ON PT1; %BETWEEN% PT1 BY P1P12; CST1xWBT1xPT1  CST1xWBT1 xwith PT1; OUTPUT: TECH TECH8; I ran the analysis and the result is *** ERROR in MODEL command To declare interaction variables, TYPE = RANDOM must be specified in the ANALYSIS command. This gives me a message saying that the threewaves is only applicable for single level not multilevel. Please advise. And if mplus can analysis 3 waves interaction in multilevel (with one variable show twotime point, can you please check the syntax. I hardly find in mplus guideline for the full syntax. Many Thanks. 

Sharon kwan posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2015  6:43 pm



Sorry, this is the syntax. Below are the syntax. TITLE: Model 2; Data: File is C:\Users\kwass004\Desktop\model\12.02.15\model12.02.15.dat; variable: NAMES ARE B1B18 P1P12 C1C3 WB1WB18 Org; CATEGORICAL = B1B18 P1P12 C1C3 WB1WB18; BETWEEN = P1P12; WITHIN = B1B18 C1C3 WB1WB18; CLUSTER = Org; ANALYSIS: TYPE = TWOLEVEL; MODEL: %WITHIN% WBT1 BY B1B18; CST1 BY C1C3; WBT2 BY WB1WB18; WBT2 ON WBT1; CT1 xwith WBT1; WBT2 ON PT1; %BETWEEN% PT1 BY P1P12; CST1xWBT1xPT1  CST1xWBT1 xwith PT1; OUTPUT: TECH TECH8; 


Please send your output and license number to support@statmodel.com. Please limit posts to one window. 


Hello Drs Muthen. I am trying to examine simple slopes corresponding an interaction of 2 latent variables. My syntax is as follows: MODEL: f1 by x1 x2 x3 x4; f2 by x5 x6 x7; f3 by x8 x9 x10; f1xf2  f2 XWITH f1; f3 on f1 (b1); f3 on f2 (b2); f3 on f1xf2 (b3); f3 on c1 c2 c3 c4 ! observed covariates MODEL CONSTRAINT: NEW(ss1ss3); ss1=b1+b3*(11.5); ss2=b1; ss3=b1+b3*(11.5); ! 11.5 = SD of f2 from output Is this an appropriate means of obtaining simple slopes, and would tests of significance provided in the output also be appropriate? Thanks very much for your assistance. 


Yes. You can also check the FAQ: Latent variable interaction LOOP plot 

Cheng posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2015  6:17 pm



Can I include significant interaction term and test indirect effect on a model in mplus? I got a very weird result on the "model indirect". All estimation values in output under section "Total, total indirect, specific indirect, and direct effects" are ZERO. 


With interaction terms you should instead use the new MOD option of Model indirect. See the version 7.2 Language Addendum under the heading: Mediation analysis with direct and indirect effects based on counterfactuals (causal inference) 

Cheng posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2015  7:29 pm



Following questions: 1) does the MOD option applies for MLR and MLM estimator? (in the paper is stated ML) 2) if I have two mediators, I need to run each mediator with the moderator/interaction term in a separate model right? 


1) Yes. 2) No, that would give the wrong "b" values because both mediators influence y. But you can use the MOD formula for each mediator (I assume the mediators are parallel, not sequential). See e.g. Preacher et al 2007 for the formula or my 2011 causal effects paper. 

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