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 Rick Sawatzky posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 4:35 pm
I am using LCA to examine whether poor fit for a particular measurement model can be explained by heterogeneity in our sample (i.e., the measurement model is not invariant). Our observed variables are ordinal. To do so, I specified the model based on example 7.27 in the user manual. The results provide support for multiple classes that account for local independence.

For example:
Model……..BIC…………....…LR ÷2………....df………...…p-value
5-class……waiting for the results

Although I can use the above information to make comparisons between the nested models, I cannot figure out how to evaluate overall model fit based on the available information. In a CFA model I would have a look at the LR-ratio chi-square to start the LR-chisquare in the LCA models has an extremely large number of degrees of freedom and I do not know how to interpret this. I pasted the model syntax below for the two-class model. Could someone provide me some direction on how to assess overall model fit?

Thank you for taking a look at this!

STARTS = 100 10;


f BY y1-y7;

f BY y1@1 y2-y7;

f BY y1@1 y2-y7;
 Bengt O. Muthen posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 6:31 pm
You have 40 categorical variables. This means that the fit of the model to data is very difficult to assess. The unrestricted model would be the multinomial with as many probability parameters (minus 1) as there are cells in the 40-way frequency table. The chi-squares you see (Pearson and LRT) refer to the frequency table. With 40 variables, you have many empty cells and therefore the 2 chi-square values are not dependable - you see that by the Pearson and LRT versions disagreeing greatly.

One way to get some degree of appreciation of fit is to request Tech10 which gives standardized residuals for bivariate tables - but there are many many bivariate tables for 40 categorical variables.

In other words, you probably have to settle for seeing that your likelihood and BIC improves greatly when you move from the conventional single-class factor analysis (where you also have no fit to the observed data given 40 categorical outcomes) to using more than one class.
 Rick Sawatzky posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 9:34 pm
Thank you very much for your prompt reply. I did indeed receive the following message in the output which is congruent with your note of caution regarding interpreting fit: "** Of the 279936 cells in the latent class indicator able, 493 were deleted in the calculation of chi-square due to extreme values". In addition to examining the standardized residuals, would it also be defensible to follow the latent class analysis up with CFA's for each of the latent classes? I realize that would not allow for statistical cross-model comparisons of fit, but it would provide a picture of the degree to the measurement model fits within each of the latent classes.

Thanks again!

PS - my syntax was a bit misleading in that I actually only use 7 of the 40 variables in this particular measurement model.
 Bengt O. Muthen posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 3:35 pm
I am not sure to which degree the fit of CFAs on those classified into the different classes actually would reflect the overall fit of the model. That would seem to be a topic for a simulation study. One reason I think it would not work well is that if the measurement model fits poorly in a class, the class formation that was used would be incorrect - so like trying to pull yourself up by your boot straps.
 Raji Srinivasan posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 7:19 am

I am using finite mixture path models and find that measurement invariance across the segments does not hold up.

But, given the data, I do expect that.

I am a little confused about the nature of inferences I can make given the results.

Thanks in advance for your help!

 Linda K. Muthen posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 1:00 pm
In our experience, it is most often the case that there is not measurement invariance for the latent variables in the model particularly for the intercepts. Although this means that you cannot meaningfully compare themeans, variances, and covariances of the latent variables across classes, there are still interesting findings due to the fact that the latent variables have different meanings in different classes.
 Daniel Lee posted on Monday, March 09, 2015 - 8:13 am
Hi Dr. Muthen,

Can I conduct a longitudinal invariance test for LCA model? It appears that class 1 and class 2 in a religiosity measure looks different across development (12 year old vs. 18 year old adolescents). For example, prayer does not distinguish class 1 from class 2 for 12 year old (it's low in both classes), while it does distinguish class 1 from class 2 in 18 year old youth. As such, I was wondering if there was an empirical way to say - although we identified 2 classes at each age (Best fit), the classes identified for youths between the ages 12-14 are very different from the classes identified for 15-18 year old youths.
 Bengt O. Muthen posted on Monday, March 09, 2015 - 6:15 pm
You can use Model Test to express this in several ways. For instance, using the prayer example you can test

0 = (t121 - t122) - (t181 - t182);

where t12, t18 are thresholds for the prayer item in the 2 classes. From what you said, this difference should be far from zero.
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