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 Peter ten Klooster posted on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 3:25 pm
Hi,
I'm trying to fit a second-order and a bifactor model on a 14-item scale with 2 underlying (first-order) factors.
A unidimensional and correlated 2-factor model run fine, but the second-order and bifactor model are both producing an error. For instance the second order model:

TITLE: Second-order factor analysis TVS
DATA: FILE IS TVS.dat;
VARIABLE: NAMES ARE y1-y16;
CATEGORICAL ARE y1-y16;
ANALYSIS: ESTIMATOR = WLSMV;
MODEL: f1 BY y1-y10;
f2 BY y11-y16;
f3 BY f1-f2;

gives the follwong error:
THE STANDARD ERRORS OF THE MODEL PARAMETER ESTIMATES COULD NOT BE
COMPUTED. THE MODEL MAY NOT BE IDENTIFIED. CHECK YOUR MODEL.
PROBLEM INVOLVING PARAMETER 80.

The bifactor model produces a similar parameter model.

Do you know what the problem is with these models and how I could run these anyway?
 Linda K. Muthen posted on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 3:44 pm
A second-order factor is not identified with only two first-order factors.
 Peter ten Klooster posted on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 4:11 pm
Thanks! But how about the bifactor model?
 Linda K. Muthen posted on Friday, June 22, 2012 - 6:48 am
Show me the MODEL command for the bi-factor model.
 Peter ten Klooster posted on Friday, June 22, 2012 - 10:17 am
I was trying this command (to examine whether the IRT analysis on all items would be justified):

TITLE: Bi-factor analysis TVS
DATA: FILE IS TVS.dat;
VARIABLE: NAMES ARE y1-y16;
CATEGORICAL ARE y1-y16;
ANALYSIS: ESTIMATOR = WLSMV;
MODEL: f1 BY y1-y10;
f2 BY y11-y16;
f3 BY y1-y16;


Thanks,
Peter
 Linda K. Muthen posted on Friday, June 22, 2012 - 10:36 am
The general factor must be uncorrelated with the specific factors and they must be uncorrelated with each other.

MODEL: f1 BY y1-y10;
f2 BY y11-y16;
f3 BY y1-y16;

f3 with f1-f2@0;
f1 WITH f2@0;
 Peter ten Klooster posted on Friday, June 22, 2012 - 10:58 am
Thanks Linda! Works perfectly now.
 Bridget Ellen Hatfield posted on Monday, June 03, 2013 - 10:31 am
Drs. Muthen,

We are testing a bifactor model for an empirically supported traditional 3 factor model due to high correlations between the factors in the 3 factor CFA. Generally, the correlations between the 3 factors range from .6-.8.

We hypothesized, based on theory, that there would be one general factor (with 10 indicators) and three specific factors (2 factors with 3 indicators and 1 factor with 4 indicators); all continuous; variable correlations set to 0. However, our models with the three specific factors and one general factor would not converge. I have tried different starting values as well as setting the covariance to 0 for one of the specific factors as some of the other exploratory analyses I did suggested that that factors had a negative covariance.

Due to the nonconvergence, I tested a model combining two of the specific factors. This collapsing of the factors was also based on theory as well as a .76 correlation between these two factors in the three factor CFA. Is this an accepted solution (to combine the two factors?). Doing this yielded better fit statistics for the bifactor model compared to the three factor CFA.

Thanks.
 Bengt O. Muthen posted on Monday, June 03, 2013 - 11:53 am
I assume you are going CFA bi-factor modeling - have you tried EFA bi-factor modeling?
 Bridget Ellen Hatfield posted on Monday, June 03, 2013 - 2:56 pm
Yes, I am using CFA bifactor modeling.
I have not tried EFA modeling; unfortunately I don't have access to Mplus 7. Do you have any suggestions with version 6? Thanks
 Bengt O. Muthen posted on Monday, June 03, 2013 - 3:28 pm
I assume you have zero correlations between all 4 factors in your first run.
 Bridget Ellen Hatfield posted on Monday, June 03, 2013 - 4:08 pm
Yes, and it will not converge.
 Bengt O. Muthen posted on Monday, June 03, 2013 - 5:53 pm
For us to diagnose the problem, you would have to send input, output, data, and license number to support@statmodel.com.

The EFA version of bi-factor analyais can be very helpful in these situations, so getting V7 might be worth your while if you do a lot of bi-factor modeling.
 JOEL WONG posted on Thursday, August 01, 2013 - 1:40 am
I've been reading the works of Steven Reise on bifactor models, and I've 3 questions on the test of bifactor models in Mplus:

1. In a bifactor CFA, why is it important to specify that the specific factors are uncorrelated with each other, i.e., f1 WITH f2@0? Would it be a problem if we know from a regular CFA that the specific factors are in fact strongly correlated with each other?

2. Based on a bifactor model, Reise computes a coefficient omega hierarchical (omegaH), which is how much variance in summed scores can be attributed to a single general factor. Can Mplus compute OmegaH or is information available in the output to compute OmegaH?

3. Reise also computes an explained common variance (ECV) index in bifactor models (common variance explained by the general factor divided by (common variance explained by general factor + common variance explained by specific factors). In the Mplus output under "Model Results," there is a section on variances for the general factor and each of the specific factors. Are these the same as the common variance Reise referred to? If so, could I use these to compute the ECV?

Thanks a lot.

Reise, S. P., Moore, T. M., & Haviland, M. G. (2010). Bifactor models and rotations: Exploring the extent to which multidimensional data yield univocal scale scores. Journal of personality assessment, 92(6), 544-559.
 Bengt O. Muthen posted on Thursday, August 01, 2013 - 8:23 am
1. Correlating specific factors is not a problem. This can also be done in bi-factor EFA in Mplus.

2. Mplus does not compute this automatically, but the analyst should be able to do it using a NEW parameter in MODEL CONSTRAINT.

3. I would think that the ECV is different from the plain variances. So again, the analyst would compute it via MODEL CONSTRAINT.
 Sarah Hafidz posted on Thursday, February 13, 2014 - 10:18 pm
Hi Linda

I tried running a bi-factor CFA as follows:

MODEL:
CWB BY B1 - D13;
Factor1 BY J1 J2 J3 J4 J5 J6 J7 K1 K2 K3 K4 K5 K6 L5 L7;
Factor2 BY A3 A4 A5 A6 A7 A8 A9 A10 A11 A13 A14 D4 D8 D10 D11 D12 D13;
Factor3 BY D1 D2 D3 D6 D7 D9 F1 F2 F3 F4 G4 G5;
Factor4 BY B5 G1 G2 G3;
Factor5 BY B1 B2 B3 B4 C1;
CWB WITH Factor1 - Factor5@0;
Factor1 - Factor5 WITH Factor1 - Factor5@0;

Unfortunately it says

NO CONVERGENCE. NUMBER OF ITERATIONS EXCEEDED.

Pls advise what I need to do, if there is something I need to look at.

TQ
 Linda K. Muthen posted on Friday, February 14, 2014 - 6:47 am
Try freeing the first factor loading of each factor and fixing the factor variance to one to see if perhaps the first factor loading is not estimated close to one. If that is the problem, you can choose another factor loading that is estimated close to one to set the metric.

If that is not the problem, try running the factors separately.
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