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 Sanjoy posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 7:22 pm
Dear Professor ... some very basic queries needed to be cleared, I'm going through your student Yu's dissertation .. the problem arises because of the differences in nomenclature that's being used in econometrics vs. psychometrics

from Page 11 ...

Q1. "our hypothesized" model ...Does it mean the model we estimate at very FIRST/begining of our analysis ?

Q2. I suppose We also refer "our hypothesized" model as "UNrestricted" model ... right!

Q3. we refer a model as " more restricted" model when we put some restriction/s ON the model we FIRST estimate ...right! ...why do we use the word "more", does it have some special significance ... (in econometrics we just say either restricted or unrestricted)

Q4. What is the "Saturated Model" then ???

from Page 13(2.1.2) ....

Q5. again "more restricted baseline model" ... does it mean a model where we assume all the coefficients are zero !!! ...(usually in SAS, where it's feasible, they do this and give us an overall "F-fit" statistics and NOT chi)

Now from the Mplus output (I'm using WLSMV) the begining we get this
Chi-Square Test of Model Fit
Value 95.074*
Degrees of Freedom 68**
P-Value 0.0168
Q6. What does it mean ... I mean, in comparison to what it's fitting something, or does it say that sigma(parameter hat) is pretty close to sample covariance

now just below ... we get another output

Chi-Square Test of Model Fit for the Baseline Model
Value 405.115
Degrees of Freedom 95
P-Value 0.0000

Q7. iS it the value when we assume all coefficients are zero

Q8. this difference is extremely statistically significant we can reject that "all coefficients are zero" it!

thanks and regards
 Linda K. Muthen posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 5:43 am
Given that you ask so many basic questions that can be answered by the standard literature, I will have to refer you to SEM texts such as Bollen's
 Sanjoy posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 12:02 pm
Thank you madam ... I'm going to get it and read.
 Joyce T. posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 7:46 am
Dear Dr. Muthen,

1- I would like to know if we can get and how, when using the MLMV command, the tests of model fit (which include Chi-Square Test of Model Fit, Chi-Square Test of Model Fit for the Baseline Model, CFI/TLI, Loglikelihood, Information Criteria, RMSEA, SRMR) that appears only in the output when the ML command is used.

2- I would like to know too, how in a structural equation model, can I declare that a variable is observed and endogenous.

Tanking you in advance.
 Linda K. Muthen posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 9:49 am
You should get these fit statistics. If not, you need to send your output, data, and license number to

It is not necessary to declare that a variable in observed and endogenous. Mplus knows it is observed if it is part of the data and not defined by BY. It knows it is endogenous by the role it plays in the MODEL command.
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