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Hi there, I am using MPlus 6.12 to conduct a path analysis with 1 binary outcome variable (DV), a continuous mediating variable, and 5 continuous IVs. I have a couple of questions regarding this: (1) I expect from past research that my 5 IVs will be correlated. Should I therefore specify this in the input syntax? If so, should I use WITH (i.e. v3 WITH v2), or something else? I read that Mplus assumes that exogenous variables are correlated but I have noticed that I am given different model fit results depending on whether or not I specify these correlations. (2) At the moment I am using WLS estimator for this model, but I have noticed from previous posts that others have used WLSMV. Can you tell me which is best in my particular case? (3) Lastly, I have a broad question regarding improper solutions for SEM and/or path analysis. Is it incorrect to have standardized estimates that are negative (less than 0)? Or does this just indicate a negative relationship between the variables? Thanks in advance. 


1. You should not bring the covariates into the model. The model is estimated conditioned on the covariates. Their means, variances, and covariances are not model parameters. If you want to see their correlations, get their descriptive statistics. With WLSMV doing this changes the model. 2. WLSMV. 3. Factor loadings can be positive or negative. They are regression coefficients. 


Thank you Linda. I have a followup question. I'm wondering what the advantage of using an ESTIMATOR=ML approach with my model may be? I do not have any missing data, so if I did employ ML would I need to use numerical integration? Lastly, can I obtain estimates of the indirect effects if I use ML? I know that MODEL INDIRECT cannot be used with ML but I'm wondering whether these can be obtained another way? 


You would need numerical integration for maximum likelihood and categorical outcomes. MODEL INDIRECT is not available in this case. You would need to use MODEL CONSTRAINT to define the indirect effects. 

lopisok posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2015  4:43 am



Dear forum, I'm doing a path analysis with a binary outcome, 2 continuous mediators and 6 continuous IV's. I followed the instructions from EXAMPLE 3.17: PATH ANALYSIS WITH A CATEGORICAL DEPENDENT VARIABLE AND A CONTINUOUS MEDIATING VARIABLE WITH MISSING DATA Using MLR and montecarlo integration. Everything works fine but I was wondering why I do not get any fit statistics like TLI, CFI, RMSEA, SRMR? Can I only compare models through the BIC AIC? When I ask MODINDICES I get the message " MODINDICES option is not available for ALGORITHM=INTEGRATION. Request for MODINDICES is ignored." I read in other posts that when using listwise deletion the montecarlo integration command can be dropped. I did this but I still get the same message. Is it just impossible or senseless to ask for cfi, tli for some reason I don't understand at the moment? Kind regards, Filip 


That example uses maximum likelihood estimation. ML and categorical outcomes requires numerical integration. In this situation chisquare and related fit statistics are not available. You can use the default WLSMV instead. This will give probit rather than logistic regression. 

lopisok posted on Friday, March 13, 2015  4:04 am



Dear Linda, Thank you very much for your answer. Is ML recommended or WLSMV? Is there an advantage in using one estimator over the other? Does the advantage mainly lie in WLSMV providing fit statistics? Does it remain correct if I use ML and report the standardized coefficients? 


You can use either estimator. WLSMV is better with more factors because ML with categorical requires one dimension of integration for each factor with categorical indicators. ML has better missing data handling. And if fit statistics are important to you, you can get those with WLSMV. It is correct to use ML and the CATEGORICAL option. 

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